[UPDATED x 3] Time to get tough if you want to win

For quite sometime I have been asking people here why are you not tough enough? Why are we sticking to issues only when the Republicans want a fight on character. Well now we have the press ticked off at the McCain-Palin campaign and it is time to get tough.

[UPDATE 3]

Halperin reports that Palin will sit down with Charlie Gibson of ABC News later this week. Seemingly the Republicans feel comfortable there. Will she face tough questions? Will she get the same treatment that is given to Democratic candidates? Why don't we mail in some of our questions. Remember civil questions about her policies, her experience and her credibility. Here is the link to ABC News.

[UPDATE 2]

Gallup Daily Tracking Poll: McCain 48% Obama 45%

Rasmussen Tracking Poll: McCain 48% Obama 48%

You can call this a quick review of press clippings. I thought I would never see the press getting tough on the Republicans but boy are they pissed off.

Let's start with this parody by Politico's Roger Simon:

We have asked pathetic questions like: Who is Sarah Palin? What is her record? Where does she stand on the issues? And is she is qualified to be a heartbeat away from the presidency?

We have asked mean questions like: How well did John McCain know her before he selected her? How well did his campaign vet her? And was she his first choice?

Bad questions. Bad media. Bad.

It is not our job to ask questions. Or it shouldn't be. To hear from the pols at the Republican National Convention this week, our job is to endorse and support the decisions of the pols.

Then we have similar scathing attack by Joe Klein:

Maybe I'm getting old, maybe it's that I've seen this act so often before, maybe it's that the people I talk to when I go out on the road really are having a harder time paying for things like health care, gasoline and college tuition, but I'm finding the Republican attempts to derail the conversation from the actual state of the country really depressing and disgraceful this year. They practice Orwellian politics of the crudest sort. They are trying to sell a big lie--that the election is about the social issues of the 1960s, or Barack Obama's patriotism or his eloquence, or the "angry left," when it's really about turning toward a more moderate path after the ideological radicalism and malfeasance of the past eight years.

And then , surprise surprise, David Frum:

Did you happen to see this clip featuring Jay Carney of Time and Nicole Wallace of the McCain campaign? If not, do please click - it's very short. Carney asks when Palin will take questions from the press. Wallace dismisses the idea. "Who cares?" she answers.

So here's why I care.

A question I am often asked when I give talks or lectures is: Why did the Bush communication effort end so badly? How did an administration that once commanded such public support end by losing all ability to make its case?

My answer is that the ultimate failure was encoded into the initial success. The president's communication team - of which Nicole Wallace was an important part - shared the same disdain of "elites" that permeates so much of my pro-Palin correspondence. It was not just the media elite that they disregarded. (Who could blame them for that?) It was the policy elite too. When the president wished to advocate, eg a tax cut, he did not argue his case before the Detroit Economic Club or send a surrogate to Jackson Hole. He made a rally speech before cheering supporters. That made for effective soundbites and exciting images. But it abdicated any effort to make an argument that could convince people who were not predisposed to be convinced.

Jonathan Martin:

But this aside, does the McCain campaign really want to accuse anybody else of an "attempt to play the victim" after their efforts to gain sympathy and rouse their base by crying out over the coverage of Palin?

Recall: McCain's campaign sent out a fundraising appeal claiming the "Obama-Biden Democrats" had gone after the Palin family and then were able to list zero examples of any such efforts by the Democratic ticket.

Jake Tapper calls out McCain campaign hypocrisy:

Davis -- whose campaign has spent much of the last week complaining about bias in the media and sexism against vice president candidate Gov. Sarah Palin -- continued railing against Obama's vaguely-sourced claims of victimhood, saying, "Barack Obama said he was different. He promised a new politics of hope and change. Is this what that politics looks like? "This week, Gov. [Sarah] Palin said there are two kinds of candidates: those who use change to promote their careers, and those who use their careers to promote change. With each new cynical attack, it's increasingly clear which kind Sen. Obama really is."

Even Joe Scarborough, ex-Republican congressman, is ticked off:

Thankfully Barack Obama showed some spirit today and went after McCain:

"I know the governor of Alaska has been, you know, saying she is change," Obama said of Gov. Sarah Palin. "And that is great. She is a skillful politician.

"But when you've been taking all these earmarks when it is convenient and then suddenly you are the champion anti-earmark person, that is not change, come on!" Obama said. "I mean, words mean something. You can't just make stuff up. You can't just make stuff up. We have a choice to make and the choice is clear."

<snip>

"I have to say, when John McCain says in his speech that he wants to reduce the rancor in Washington ... and I'm thinking, 'Did you pay attention to the last two days of your convention?'" Obama asked.

"I mean, What? Were you not, were you not watching?" Obama continued. "Did they not get the memo?

"You know, there's got to be some consistency in how you approach these things," Obama said, "There's nothing wrong with a vigorous debate because the parties have very real differences. But when it starts getting personal, when you start just focusing exclusively on trying to tear the other person down instead of what you are going to do on behalf of the American people to deal with this economy, then that's not serving Democrats, that's not serving Republicans, that's not serving anybody and that's the kind of politics we want to put to an end when I'm President of the United States."

And finally Joan Walsh at Salon says that it is time to stop being chivalrous and time to start getting tough:

I have always said while it is wise for the candidate to not get involved with Palin in nasty and ugly fight which she would love behind her shield of sexism, it is also increasingly important for Democrats to go after her character, her lies, her fabrications, her abuse of power, her hypocrisy, her greed and yes even her nasty character. She calls herself a pitbull with lipstick so its time for us to call the animal control before she bites anymore.

Update [2008-9-7 11:19:36 by tarheel74]:

Over at TalkLeft BTD quotes Nate Silver. Their basic point being that counterattacking Palin is a bad move and likely to backfire. In a way they are right. The venom being spewed by this woman is basically an effort to distract everyone to her, engage in partisan rancor, get targeted by the "sexist" smear while St. John can preach of unity. But here's why they are wrong. We may not need to respond to their charges directly all the time because reacting to what they say is a waste of energy but we need to use this window of opportunity the Republicans have provided by ticking off the press to define the Republican candidates. The Republicans do it very well but we don't. The opportunity is there for us to expose St. John as an ambitious, two-faced hypocrite who hides behind his pitbull to do his dirty work, as a candidate who is inherently bankrupt of ideas and with huge credibility gaps. Palin is after all just an extension of him.

One other thing, even Josh Marshall noticed today, it is not up to the presidential candidate to counter the attacks of the Republican VP or the character attacks from St. John and his minions. That is the Democratic VP's job. Where is he? It is all very well for him to say that St. John is dear personal friend of his but then it is all the more important for him to tell his friend to stop this campaign of character assassination. Joe Biden has to step up to the plate. He has to get more vocal.



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It is ten minutes past kicking ass... (2.00 / 4)

...and we are running late.

Time to take advantage of the press sentiments which clearly run concurrently with our own.

Rec'd, bigtime.


by bobswern on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 12:34:51 AM EST

Re: Time to get tough if you want to win (2.00 / 3)

The Democrats have made a flipping mess of this election cycle and I can't understand the reasoning of anyone who would take the advice of the media which has been played perfectly by the McCain camp.


by Liberty on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 12:35:16 AM EST

Re: Time to get tough if you want to win (2.00 / 0)

Actually, that "mess" that you referred to, netted us 2 million new registered Democrats in 28 states...at a time when Repube registration was declining.

I'm pretty happy with where the race is, as of this morning.

We have our marching orders, and the tabloids are with us.  Strange bedfellows, eh?


by AntiStipes on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 12:40:44 PM EST
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how we can help (2.00 / 2)

Here's a way. We have some people in here who have video-editing skills or we know people like that, time to unleash the talent. Time to make our own viral attack videos. There is no need to manufacture outrageous things because there is enough free material out there of the Republicans incriminating themselves. Time to get busy. The Republicans want a debate about character well let them defend their character first.


by tarheel74 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 12:45:12 AM EST

Re: how we can help (2.00 / 1)

I believe it will be extremely difficult to debate the character issue when you have a POW and a mother of a disabled child on the opposing ticket. Every single viral attack video will be countered with the visual of McCain at the Hanoi Hilton and Palin with a Down Syndrome child in her arms....


by Liberty on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 12:59:37 AM EST
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Re: how we can help (2.00 / 1)

well let them. Let them overplay those things and reveal themselves as self-consumed, manipulative people. Once they do that it will be clear to people that they will manipulate anything to further their personal political ambitions.


by tarheel74 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:08:04 AM EST
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Re: how we can help (2.00 / 1)

I don't believe many if any undecided voters will buy McCain's POW story and Palin's disabled child story as self-consumed..in fact, just the opposite..a selfless act...


by Liberty on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:15:59 AM EST
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Re: how we can help (2.00 / 1)

Quite a lot of the undecided voters will be really ticked off if they try to deflect questions about their politics and credibility with such images. That reflects poorly on character IMO. They will however turn on Democrats if we drag in their family which we don't need to because they have enough fodder otherwise.


by tarheel74 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:22:07 AM EST
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Re: how we can help (2.00 / 1)

But you are contradicting yourself ...you stated to go after the character issue that is not policy driven by your initial submission...you can't have it both ways...


by Liberty on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:31:32 AM EST
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Re: how we can help (none / 0)

This all presupposes that 1) undecided voters are going to decide on character, not issues, and 2) that disabled children and POW status (definitely character issues) trump lying, ethical lapses, lack of judgment, and flip-flopping (also definitely character issues). The second set is far more related to governing.

The point is: to the extent that character issues will move voters, we do not need to attack the ones we find frivolous. We need to pound on the second set. The Republicans have nominated candidates who are proven liars. One of them is embroiled in a series of ethics violations. Both of them, particularly the head of the ticket, have serious judgment issues, and he's also reversed himself on just about everything. They have enormous built-in liabilities. Those are the places to attack.

It's very easy to deflect lightweight character attacks with the POW/disabled child images. It's very hard to get victim sympathy for being called a liar when, in fact, one is a liar.

Rallying the base is a good thing for the Republicans, and will make this a harder fight. Someone on the radio earlier was opining that she's some sort of rare figure who can rally the base and yet appeal to "Reagan Democrats who backed Hillary in the primaries". I don't see that. First, those Reagan Democrats aren't likely to support a perceived liar and fraud who's acknowledged to be unprepared even by her own party. Second, to the extent that these were Hillary supporters -- Hillary's on Obama's side, not McCain's. That alone makes a huge difference in guessing how they'll jump.

Based on polling, I still don't see any evidence that Palin is the game-changer the hand-wringers on our side and the jubilant on theirs think she is. I don't see her moving undecideds. I do see her moving independents and moderates -- to Obama. I think her selection has taken Florida from leans McCain to tie, possibly all the way to leans Obama.


No Way. No How. No McCain-Palin!
by Texas Gray Wolf on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 10:08:26 AM EST
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Well we have to do something (none / 0)

clearly these two have character flaws that need to be pointed out. This election will not be won on issues, it will be won on character. If we cannot expose their character flaws, then we've lost. Then my intuition was correct and we lost this election the day McCain won the New Hampshire primary. As much of a pessimist as I am, I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet. We have to do something.

Maybe we Democrats need to start picking candidates immune to character attacks. Maybe we need to start nominating POW's and parents of disabled children, issues be damned.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:47:05 AM EST
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Re: Well we have to do something (none / 0)

How about the Obama camp not booking with Olberman this week..talk about a moronic, idiotic move...


by Liberty on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:58:14 AM EST
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How is that moronic? (none / 0)

He did O'Reilly and now he's doing Olbermann. He did both sides of the spectrum. Talk about not being afraid of anyone.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:07:43 AM EST
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Re: How is that moronic? (none / 0)

Olberman had diaried over at the KOS which assisted in the creation and enabled this entire fiasco...it is a moronic, idiotic move in my opinion. But, hey...next thing you know the Evangelicals will have powerful war waged due to the belittlement of some who never learn...


by Liberty on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:11:02 AM EST
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Did you see the Purity Ball woman (2.00 / 1)

at the RNC who defended the Palin family?  They asked a random member of the audience what she thought of the situation with Bristol being pregnant.  She defended Bristol, said these things happened, then told everybody about the Purity Ring that her daughter wears to preserve her purity, given to her by her husband at a purity ball.

And I thought to myself, My God, I thought it was just an urban rumor.  And these clowns are here to tell us about family values?

They are the vulnerable ones, not us.

I have been hanging out on gamer forums this past week because it has been so interesting with he political talk.  It's all about Sarah and Bristol Palin, and most of it is very unflattering of the Palins.  It's not coming from me, or from Obama surrogates.  Sarah Palin is a crossover hit, in the negative sense, and a burgeoning problem to John McCain.


by Dumbo on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:58:40 AM EST
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Re: Did you see the Purity Ball woman (2.00 / 2)

The Republicans seem convinced Palin is going to deliver the election to them, but I suspect time will show that it was a base-rallying move that failed to actually turn any independents (much less Democrats who supported Hillary Clinton).


by Skaje on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 06:20:27 AM EST
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President John Kerry... (none / 0)

was able to work that angle very well.


by tonedevil on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 03:43:38 AM EST
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Re: [UPDATED] Time to get tough if you want to win (none / 0)

Great diary Tarheel,

Recc'd


by AntiStipes on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 12:41:10 PM EST

Theory why Biden isn't attacking Palin (none / 0)

It's deliberate, in order to reverse the expectations for the VP debate, and to prevent the repubs from getting a preview of the lines of attack Joe will take during the debate.  


by ProfessorReo on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 06:03:26 PM EST


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